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==Pages to be deleted==
 
==Pages to be deleted==
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==Hop Category Tree Reorganization==
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I've been going through working on the hop pages, filling in stubs and adding information to existing articles, using the new [[Template:HopInfo]] template.  As I go along, I'd also like to change the categories around a little bit so that they are easier to use and follow the WikiMedia naming conventions.  It seems like since I'm touching a lot of the hop pages already, this would be a good opportunity to do this.
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The main changes would be:
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*A new category, "Hop varieties", for pages representing individual hop varieties; this would be a cleaner way to find hop varieties without also seeing pages like "Dry hopping", and would make a more logical progression in the Category bar as well
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*Renaming the national categories to fit this convention; i.e., "French Hop Varieties" instead of "French Hops".  I think this would look better and be more consistent
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*Renaming the "Bittering" and "Aroma" categories to fit this convention as "Aroma Hop Varieties" and "Bittering Hop Varieties"
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*Eliminating the "Flavour" category: while hops do contribute flavor as well as aroma and bitterness to beer, they usually are only categorized as bittering, aroma, or dual, with aroma hops considered suitable for flavor or aroma additions.  I don't think this extra category adds anything, and it will be very difficult to propogate it in any meaningful way, since most available hop listings only say "bittering", "aroma", or "dual" at most.
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*I'm also considering adding a "Dual Use Hop Varieties" category, although I'm not sure; possibly dual-use hops should just be entered into both categories and left alone.  What do people think?
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*Eventually, I think the name of the "Ingredients" category should also change to "Brewing Ingredients", so that when the wine, mead, and cider sites get going they don't run into the beer brewing namespace.  But that might be a project for later...there are a lot of "Ingredients" pages.
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The end result would be a hierarchy of categories that instead of the current version:
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'''Strisselspalt: Beer | Ingredients | Hops | French Hops | Aroma | Flavor'''
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looks more like this:
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'''Strisselspalt: Beer | Brewing Ingredients | Hops | Hop Varieties | French Hop Varieties | Aroma Hop Varieties'''
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I've already changed over two pages, [[Strisselspalt]] and [[Goldings, British Columbia]].  Unless people think this is a bad idea, I'll start changing more over in the next couple of weeks, and add content to the new category pages as appropriate.
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--[[User:Chapka|Chapka]] 12:27, 16 August 2007 (CDT)
  
 
== Mistakes to Be rectified ==
 
== Mistakes to Be rectified ==

Revision as of 17:27, 16 August 2007

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Users with Admin rights are: Bradsul, Sause and Torchiest.

To-Do

Pages to be deleted

Hop Category Tree Reorganization

I've been going through working on the hop pages, filling in stubs and adding information to existing articles, using the new Template:HopInfo template. As I go along, I'd also like to change the categories around a little bit so that they are easier to use and follow the WikiMedia naming conventions. It seems like since I'm touching a lot of the hop pages already, this would be a good opportunity to do this.

The main changes would be:

  • A new category, "Hop varieties", for pages representing individual hop varieties; this would be a cleaner way to find hop varieties without also seeing pages like "Dry hopping", and would make a more logical progression in the Category bar as well
  • Renaming the national categories to fit this convention; i.e., "French Hop Varieties" instead of "French Hops". I think this would look better and be more consistent
  • Renaming the "Bittering" and "Aroma" categories to fit this convention as "Aroma Hop Varieties" and "Bittering Hop Varieties"
  • Eliminating the "Flavour" category: while hops do contribute flavor as well as aroma and bitterness to beer, they usually are only categorized as bittering, aroma, or dual, with aroma hops considered suitable for flavor or aroma additions. I don't think this extra category adds anything, and it will be very difficult to propogate it in any meaningful way, since most available hop listings only say "bittering", "aroma", or "dual" at most.
  • I'm also considering adding a "Dual Use Hop Varieties" category, although I'm not sure; possibly dual-use hops should just be entered into both categories and left alone. What do people think?
  • Eventually, I think the name of the "Ingredients" category should also change to "Brewing Ingredients", so that when the wine, mead, and cider sites get going they don't run into the beer brewing namespace. But that might be a project for later...there are a lot of "Ingredients" pages.

The end result would be a hierarchy of categories that instead of the current version:

Strisselspalt: Beer | Ingredients | Hops | French Hops | Aroma | Flavor

looks more like this:

Strisselspalt: Beer | Brewing Ingredients | Hops | Hop Varieties | French Hop Varieties | Aroma Hop Varieties

I've already changed over two pages, Strisselspalt and Goldings, British Columbia. Unless people think this is a bad idea, I'll start changing more over in the next couple of weeks, and add content to the new category pages as appropriate.

--Chapka 12:27, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Mistakes to Be rectified

The capitalization of article titles is a little bit haphazard right now, which in the long run will result in a lot of dead links. The usual wiki practice is to capitalize only the first letter of an entry unless the title is also a proper name.

For example, right now if I type: "Irish ale is usually not brewed with 6-row malt", neither of the links work, even though there are pages for both Irish Ale and 6-Row Malt. To get to those pages, I have to use a pipe to the capitalized version in every link.

The easiest solution is to make sure that you create lowercase redirects for any uppercase-titled pages, but in the long run it would probably be better to standardize the articles themselves.

--Chapka 10:28, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

Help Requested

I'd like to make the Abbreviations page into a category page like malt etc. I've made the Category page but how do I get the original Abbreviation link point to the abbreviation category rather than the abbreviation page?--Orfy 05:11, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

To link to a category you put a semi-colon in front of the category name in the link. E.g. [[:Category:Abbreviations|Abbreviations]]. Without the leading semi-colon the wiki will just include it in the category instead of treating it like a link. --Bradsul 08:23, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
Sorry I didn't actually answer your question. :) You would want to use what I said above, and set a redirect on the old page. #REDIRECT [[:Category:Abbreviations]]. I updated the only couple articles that were pointing to the abbreviations page to point to the category in this case. --Bradsul 08:25, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Additions Requested/Suggestions

It looks like some backend stuff needs to be done in order to allow embedded youtube videos. I tried embedding my aeration time lapse as the youtube directions suggest and it doesn't work. The code just gets displayed. Check this out: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:YouTube_%28Iubito%29 Bobby M 14:11, 14 February 2007 (CST)

As detailed here:http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=29881 I think it might be wise to have a forum help section. --Olllllo 16:39, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

Unless somebody beats me to it I will get started on this tonight. --Bradsul 16:55, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

Current Projects

I'm currently working on two projects:

  • I've created a new, more complete template for hop information and am in the process of filling in information for some of the hop varieties. See the Cascade page for an example. I'm also filling in some of the hop-related pages at the same time.
  • I'm trying to think of a way to reorganize the information on malt and grain types to be more inclusive and informative. As part of this, I've been working on a new grain page which may eventually replace the current malt page, with subpages describing and listing the various malt types and subtypes (kilned malts, grits, and so on).

--Chapka 08:50, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

The wine page is just a skeleton at this time. Any wine making experts willing to work on it would be greatly appreciated.
The cider page is in progress, but incomplete.--Torchiest 11:31, 11 February 2007 (CST) The mead page has basic, and needs a lot of work.

More specifically, the sub-categories of mead need pages and descriptions.--Torchiest 19:31, 27 February 2007 (CST)
We also need comments on the structure, layout and the way it's looking.
We need more pages like the whirlpool page.
Detail pages on chillers and other gadgets would be good.

I've been adding to the keggle and chillers here and there.Bobby M 23:04, 13 February 2007 (CST)

It'd also be great to have some stuff like individual brewers set ups.--Orfy 13:33, 11 February 2007 (CST)

I put up basic information on the Yeast Starters page. If anyone would like to take a series of photos of themselves going through the process, and put them up, it would really help a lot. --Torchiest 18:45, 11 February 2007 (CST)
There is now a hops template available. Look in the discussion section of the hops page. --Torchiest 03:29, 12 February 2007 (CST)
I have finished the malt template. It's in the discussion section of the malt page. --Torchiest 09:47, 13 February 2007 (CST)

Just so that it is actually said somewhere, the Malt page is deprecated and has been replaced with the Malt category (available here). I've protected the original Malt page from editing until either existing links are changed or a redirect is set (will hopefully take care of this tonight unless someone beats me to it). --Bradsul 15:26, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

I'm going to be washing my belgian wit yeast soon, I'll take pictures and document that as it goes along. --z987k 04 May 2007

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